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This week the lads welcome Miriam Schulman. Miriam is an artist, author, and — as host of The Inspiration Podcast — a podcaster.

As always, their conversation is built around art that has inspired the guest. In this case, Mary Renault’s classic historical novel The Bull from the Sea, the sequel to The King Must Die. Miriam tells them what drew her to this retelling of the Theseus myth and its emphasis on living with the consequences of one’s choices.

Miriam blew Mark and Joe’s minds because she’s so good at the business side of art. As the conversation went on they became increasingly curious about how her approach could apply to books and publishing.

It’s a really interesting talk about how Miriam draws from her own artistic and financial background to teach others how to build sustainable, profitable careers from their art — without selling their souls. 

And from there they get into how rich people think, “how they love crazy,” such as Beeple’s $100,000 pooping robot dogs, and how people typically purchase “meaning over medium.”